Maddy and Mr. L - Love Reading (January 2014) Exchange

[Mr. Lenormand]

Must get kids to bed, but figured I'd start our exchange thread!

What we will do is layout a full GT (9x4, or 8x4+4, whatever your preference is), but instead of analyzing everything in detail, we will concentrate on the Consultant (man or woman card) and how it relates to the heart card, the opposite sex card, or some other card that seems relevant to the love reading.

I do not want to read the past or future, just learn how to read how the love connection works in the GT, using 1 to a maximum of 3 techniques (mirroring, knighting, houses, whatever). Pay particular attention in describing the other persons' love partner (or potential partner, what their soul mate is like).


Readings are due by Jan 31

Feedback, I think we should do try to give comments well before Valentines, so perhaps by Feb 7 at the latest?

[Maddy]

Hiya,
I'm looking forward to this, because I do GT's very infrequently.

Maddy

[Mr. Lenormand]

So here are the cards I got:



So the first thing that jumps out is that the Man is in house of cross, mirrors Woman in the house of the Man. There is no loop to speak of between them, so there is no evidence of a relationship of any kind... the two cards are as far apart as they can get, but are on the same line, so there is someone in her future...

Describing the Man:

So with the Man in the house of the Cross, we have a person who sacrifices his own needs for the greater good. If he thinks that it's worth the effort, this particular person won't hesitate to shoulder parts of a burden. He believes that self-sacrifice bring greater rewards (or he believes in karma, and thinks it will come back to him). Either way, he's used to working hard and sacrificing.

Man mirrors Anchor in house of the Bouquet: People around him see him as being more fulfilled and happy in a long lasting relationship. The type of person that keeps trying, but if he's unhappy with a relationship he walks away. The important thing is happiness. If the relationship doesn't bring happy times, he's inclined to move on. He knows what he wants, knows what he's looking for. He won't waste too much time figuring it out, but if he finds something worth holding on to, he's going to stick around and work at it until it is obvious to him that it will not work. By then, he's usually tried fixing or figuring it out, so if he gives up on something, it's not because he didn't try.

Man knights Stork (in its own house) as well as the Ring (also in its own house). I think this is very interesting and symbolic. He's looking for a relationship / commitment, but one where things can change freely. It's almost as if he's extremely wise in this... he knows that a relationship doesn't stay static; that it changes over time, and he expects this. He doesn't seem to mind that it might lead into the unknown... that's just what a relationship is, and the journey is more important than the destination.

Man and Woman Mirror each other, so both a hoping to find each other in the other person. It's like they will recognize each other in the other... this is nice in my opinion, and it's probably something they will realize when they finally meet... There might be a "lovestruck or thunder bolt" when they finally do meet, but right now I think they are in perfect ignorance of each other... if they'd met already, these two would be courting each other, and they aren't at present. AT least, that's my perception of it, and is supported by the four corners: Rider + Man (new man coming into her life); Woman + Anchor (Woman committing herself to a relationship which brings her happiness).

Central and between Man and Woman is the Tree in the house of the Moon. Also symbolic... this is more in line with something long lasting between the two, and both are looking to find this. The Moon is all about shedding light on something, and so they're both hoping to reveal something similar...

Heart is in the house of the Child. New love.

The Heart also represents what we are looking for with respect to Love. In this case, the Heart is influenced by the Key in the house of the Ship (something you jump into with both feet and never look back from), the Dog in the house of the House (friendship, loyalty, and familiarity... someone we can trust with our personal feelings, with whom we feel safe with), Lily in the house of the Tree (honor and the long term, probably fidelity and some maturity), the Bouquet in the house of the Fox (surprises and happiness, perhaps a family down the road, but mainly someone who knows about small gestures), the Moutain in the house of the Mice (goodness, troubles being eaten away... troubles melting away, helping each other through the worse of problems), Scythe in the house of the Crossroads (who won't change their mind... they won't leave on a whim), Letter in the house of the Mountains (loves writing?), and the Stars in the house of the Birds (a couple sharing their dreams and flying together).

[Maddy]

Wow, Mr. L, there's something staggering about that!
I'm going to give proper feedback later on in the week, possibly over the weekend, and that's when you'll have your reading as well.
It's interesting too, because now I understand what kind of reading we're to do. For example, with man in house of cross, you take the house as descriptive of his character in general, rather than of his present situation, i.e, has a very big problem right now.

Just wondering: you wrote that letter in the house of mountains could mean love of writing? House of mountain means love of something? I would have thought it indicates a quality of  delay or stop in communication (which would have been the only neg of the entire reading).

More in some days,
Thank you,
Maddy

[Mr. Lenormand]

I wasn't sure about the Mountain/Letter thing. I saw Moutain as 'a lot of' something, in this case letters. It could be a pile of bills... A mountain of bills, a mountain of paper... But anyone who has that much paper either loves paper or is bound to get cut.

Just wasn't sure. And while the cross might indicate troubles, I see it more as self-sacrificing. The cross I am sure about, the Letter in the house of the Mountain... Not so much. Might be a blog? Mountain of data?

[Mr. Lenormand]

Oh!! Mountain of Knowledge.... It has to deal with love, right. I think it is saying that you need someone who is a moutain of knowledge... In other words, he's intelligent and can keep you interested with his wealth (of knowledge). You respect learning I gather? If that makes sense, then we might have this mounatin figured out. 

[Maddy]

Is well read?

I know this reading is about my future partner and our future love, but I couldn't help noticing that the woman also knights to the letter in house of mountain. The woman is not finished writing the novel. This in itself is delaying other stuff in her life. But that's how it goes.

[Mr. Lenormand]

Is well read?

I know this reading is about my future partner and our future love, but I couldn't help noticing that the woman also knights to the letter in house of mountain. The woman is not finished writing the novel. This in itself is delaying other stuff in her life. But that's how it goes.

Yes, well read would fit the bill here too!

And yes, we could have read the GT in a lot more detail to reveal your present, future.., etc... but it would be too long an exercise, an this lets you all experiment in delving into the GT with other details, or looking for specific things.

[Maddy]

Did you have a specific question in mind?

[Mr. Lenormand]

Same as the assignment: describe my soul mate; try to see if you can tell if we already know each other / met; if we are in each others' lives or not, etc, like I did for you.

[Maddy]

Hi Mr.L.
here's my feedback. While I can't reflect the reading very much with reality because it's a very future reading about someone I don't know, I can say that I would identify with the woman, given that she's worried about work and money, the fox and bear being above her.

So the first thing that jumps out is that the Man is in house of cross, mirrors Woman in the house of the Man. There is no loop to speak of between them, so there is no evidence of a relationship of any kind... the two cards are as far apart as they can get, but are on the same line, so there is someone in her future...

I am wondering what it means that woman is in house of man? Could I possibly know "about" him? Know his name?

Describing the Man:

So with the Man in the house of the Cross, we have a person who sacrifices his own needs for the greater good. If he thinks that it's worth the effort, this particular person won't hesitate to shoulder parts of a burden. He believes that self-sacrifice bring greater rewards (or he believes in karma, and thinks it will come back to him). Either way, he's used to working hard and sacrificing.

Man mirrors Anchor in house of the Bouquet: People around him see him as being more fulfilled and happy in a long lasting relationship. The type of person that keeps trying, but if he's unhappy with a relationship he walks away. The important thing is happiness. If the relationship doesn't bring happy times, he's inclined to move on. He knows what he wants, knows what he's looking for. He won't waste too much time figuring it out, but if he finds something worth holding on to, he's going to stick around and work at it until it is obvious to him that it will not work. By then, he's usually tried fixing or figuring it out, so if he gives up on something, it's not because he didn't try.

I didn't know that mirroring also says something about how a person is seen by others. Interesting. I do like him, the type that doesn't give up when things get tough.
Man knights Stork (in its own house) as well as the Ring (also in its own house). I think this is very interesting and symbolic. He's looking for a relationship / commitment, but one where things can change freely. It's almost as if he's extremely wise in this... he knows that a relationship doesn't stay static; that it changes over time, and he expects this. He doesn't seem to mind that it might lead into the unknown... that's just what a relationship is, and the journey is more important than the destination.

But are you saying that he wants an "open" relationship, or would rather not live together and have that kind of flexibility? He otherwise seems to want to commit. Or are you saying that he is mature enough to see that the other person also has dreams and ambitions, and both parties need to be accomodating to the other's needs for growth and development?

Man and Woman Mirror each other, so both a hoping to find each other in the other person. It's like they will recognize each other in the other... this is nice in my opinion, and it's probably something they will realize when they finally meet... There might be a "lovestruck or thunder bolt" when they finally do meet, but right now I think they are in perfect ignorance of each other... if they'd met already, these two would be courting each other, and they aren't at present. AT least, that's my perception of it, and is supported by the four corners: Rider + Man (new man coming into her life); Woman + Anchor (Woman committing herself to a relationship which brings her happiness).

Central and between Man and Woman is the Tree in the house of the Moon. Also symbolic... this is more in line with something long lasting between the two, and both are looking to find this. The Moon is all about shedding light on something, and so they're both hoping to reveal something similar...
I'm wondering about this tree in moon. I organize a monthly meeting of people who went through a certain surgical procedure. We're meeting next Tuesday. Tree-health and moon-monthly? The tree is right in the center between man and woman, could it mean where they meet? (I am actually hoping it is someone else whose name I do know and who has nothing to do with these meetings).

Heart is in the house of the Child. New love.

The Heart also represents what we are looking for with respect to Love. In this case, the Heart is influenced by the Key in the house of the Ship (something you jump into with both feet and never look back from), the Dog in the house of the House (friendship, loyalty, and familiarity... someone we can trust with our personal feelings, with whom we feel safe with), Lily in the house of the Tree (honor and the long term, probably fidelity and some maturity), the Bouquet in the house of the Fox (surprises and happiness, perhaps a family down the road, but mainly someone who knows about small gestures), the Moutain in the house of the Mice (goodness, troubles being eaten away... troubles melting away, helping each other through the worse of problems), Scythe in the house of the Crossroads (who won't change their mind... they won't leave on a whim), Letter in the house of the Mountains (loves writing?), and the Stars in the house of the Birds (a couple sharing their dreams and flying together).

Is that what I am looking for, or what the love with man-cross will be, or what he is also looking for?
OK if I take a look at the line of cards between man and woman, and check back with you about how i'm reading them?
Many thanks for the reading, I hope it comes true!

[Mr. Lenormand]

I am wondering what it means that woman is in house of man? Could I possibly know "about" him? Know his name?

I think it means you might be a tom boy....!

Man knights Stork (in its own house) as well as the Ring (also in its own house). I think this is very interesting and symbolic. He's looking for a relationship / commitment, but one where things can change freely. It's almost as if he's extremely wise in this... he knows that a relationship doesn't stay static; that it changes over time, and he expects this. He doesn't seem to mind that it might lead into the unknown... that's just what a relationship is, and the journey is more important than the destination.

But are you saying that he wants an "open" relationship, or would rather not live together and have that kind of flexibility? He otherwise seems to want to commit. Or are you saying that he is mature enough to see that the other person also has dreams and ambitions, and both parties need to be accomodating to the other's needs for growth and development?

No, I had the impression that he's more opened minded than wanting an "open" relationship... I think he's flexinble on Marriage for example. The piece of paper is not important to him, it's the relationship in my opinion, and he knows that relationships go through ups and downs. At least, that's the impression I got.

The Heart also represents what we are looking for with respect to Love. In this case, the Heart is influenced by the Key in the house of the Ship (something you jump into with both feet and never look back from), the Dog in the house of the House (friendship, loyalty, and familiarity... someone we can trust with our personal feelings, with whom we feel safe with), Lily in the house of the Tree (honor and the long term, probably fidelity and some maturity), the Bouquet in the house of the Fox (surprises and happiness, perhaps a family down the road, but mainly someone who knows about small gestures), the Moutain in the house of the Mice (goodness, troubles being eaten away... troubles melting away, helping each other through the worse of problems), Scythe in the house of the Crossroads (who won't change their mind... they won't leave on a whim), Letter in the house of the Mountains (loves writing?), and the Stars in the house of the Birds (a couple sharing their dreams and flying together).

Is that what I am looking for, or what the love with man-cross will be, or what he is also looking for?
OK if I take a look at the line of cards between man and woman, and check back with you about how i'm reading them?
Many thanks for the reading, I hope it comes true!

Usually when I pick out a card out of the blue, it's because I wanted to look at what that card means for you. You should tell me if it's accurately reflecting what you'd like in a love relationship.. I think the Heart, if not close to you but elsewhere, describes "what the consultant would want in a relationship, or why she is looking for one," versus what is if it were joining you and someone else. If that makes sense...?

And yes, go ahead and let me know what you think of that line between the two of you.

I'm wondering about this tree in moon. I organize a monthly meeting of people who went through a certain surgical procedure. We're meeting next Tuesday. Tree-health and moon-monthly? The tree is right in the center between man and woman, could it mean where they meet? (I am actually hoping it is someone else whose name I do know and who has nothing to do with these meetings).

I think the Tree is your joiner card... it's where the two of you meet, but is it a physical location or not? I didn't get that sense.. but... funnier things have happened..!


Hope this helps,
Stephen

[Maddy]

I am wondering what it means that woman is in house of man? Could I possibly know "about" him? Know his name?

I think it means you might be a tom boy....!

HA HA HA what is a tomboy these days?

Man knights Stork (in its own house) as well as the Ring (also in its own house). I think this is very interesting and symbolic. He's looking for a relationship / commitment, but one where things can change freely. It's almost as if he's extremely wise in this... he knows that a relationship doesn't stay static; that it changes over time, and he expects this. He doesn't seem to mind that it might lead into the unknown... that's just what a relationship is, and the journey is more important than the destination.

But are you saying that he wants an "open" relationship, or would rather not live together and have that kind of flexibility? He otherwise seems to want to commit. Or are you saying that he is mature enough to see that the other person also has dreams and ambitions, and both parties need to be accomodating to the other's needs for growth and development?

No, I had the impression that he's more opened minded than wanting an "open" relationship... I think he's flexinble on Marriage for example. The piece of paper is not important to him, it's the relationship in my opinion, and he knows that relationships go through ups and downs. At least, that's the impression I got.

The Heart also represents what we are looking for with respect to Love. In this case, the Heart is influenced by the Key in the house of the Ship (something you jump into with both feet and never look back from), the Dog in the house of the House (friendship, loyalty, and familiarity... someone we can trust with our personal feelings, with whom we feel safe with), Lily in the house of the Tree (honor and the long term, probably fidelity and some maturity), the Bouquet in the house of the Fox (surprises and happiness, perhaps a family down the road, but mainly someone who knows about small gestures), the Moutain in the house of the Mice (goodness, troubles being eaten away... troubles melting away, helping each other through the worse of problems), Scythe in the house of the Crossroads (who won't change their mind... they won't leave on a whim), Letter in the house of the Mountains (loves writing?), and the Stars in the house of the Birds (a couple sharing their dreams and flying together).

Is that what I am looking for, or what the love with man-cross will be, or what he is also looking for?
OK if I take a look at the line of cards between man and woman, and check back with you about how i'm reading them?
Many thanks for the reading, I hope it comes true!

Usually when I pick out a card out of the blue, it's because I wanted to look at what that card means for you. You should tell me if it's accurately reflecting what you'd like in a love relationship.. I think the Heart, if not close to you but elsewhere, describes "what the consultant would want in a relationship, or why she is looking for one," versus what is if it were joining you and someone else. If that makes sense...?

Well, then I definitely confirm I think a relationship with those characteristics would be ideal.

And yes, go ahead and let me know what you think of that line between the two of you.

I'm wondering about this tree in moon. I organize a monthly meeting of people who went through a certain surgical procedure. We're meeting next Tuesday. Tree-health and moon-monthly? The tree is right in the center between man and woman, could it mean where they meet? (I am actually hoping it is someone else whose name I do know and who has nothing to do with these meetings).

I think the Tree is your joiner card... it's where the two of you meet, but is it a physical location or not? I didn't get that sense.. but... funnier things have happened..!

OK, good. Because if it is a man I meet next week (given the rider) at this meeting, then it's definitely a German, and I am really curious to see if any of this fits someone else, the man who I only know by name.

I will look at the line more closely later, like after I write up your reading. But I did notice that one of the  cards separating us is ship in house of fish -  as if he really is in another country with ocean and a national boundary between us.


Hope this helps,
Stephen

[Maddy]

OK, Mr. L. Here's my reading of your love life  . The GT is attached as word doc, I couldn't manage all that technology without photoshop.
I had the feeling I was taking a chance or two. I am really looking forrward to your feedback to how I read your cards, and if it corresponds to reality at all:
After looking at this a while yesterday, I am pretty sure the corners are giving the tact here. Tower-Storck – a mighty look-out for changes, and bouquet-sun, the reward for the changes.
This man and woman are already in some kind of relationship. They are in a loop, connected diagonally by tree – the relationship has been in development for some time, has taken root. It is not going to end any time soon – I bring that up because I see functional problems, which I'll come to. They are also connected by mice-tree and rider-mountain, which set the general constellation of the relationship at this time: problems that have been there all along, and an impediment in moving forward, defining the relationship, giving it form, a name, and direction.

I'll interject and say that it may be significant that they are in this loop, but not knighting to each other. Confirms to me that the relationship lacks definition and contour.

Looking at the woman in house of ship, am getting the feeling that she is waiting for him to catch up with her in thought, get to the page she is on. She is not going anywhere at the moment, but she is aware of what is lacking and there is no guarantee that she will not move on at some point if things don't develop (knights to anchor-scythe). She is possibly foreign, her character has a sophisticated kind of openness and a positive outlook. She has a differentiated and discerning sensibility. She has made her mind up about the nebulousness and standstill in the relationship, and is so clear about where she stands on them that she doesn't need to reflect further on them. She is adept in public, absolutely reliable. She may be a kind of institution, a rock, for some other people.
 Heart is in house of woman. The feelings between them, or at least the emotional intentions between them is about nurturing, generosity, comfort, and caring reciprocally for the other's well-being. Good job. The right stuff is there.
So let's look at ring, it's in house of bear. Knights to:
ship in coffin: Something planned is on hold, a proper take-off lies stagnant. In fact, I would say it has not happened at all.
Roads in book: The relationship is characterized too much by indecision. The woman wants things to be decided and defined.  Confirmed by:
Key in house of paths – also knights to woman: A decision about the relationship really does need to be made. Imperative. At some point, she may make this a condition.
Roads in book also knights to man. The man is the one not moving here. He is the one avoiding decision and movement.
Fish is in house of fish: Deep resonance in the relationship. Both parties find and cherish what they find in each other.
Clouds in house of moon: confirms that the the most essential things that have to be clear and defined, are obscured. Maybe nothing is clear.
Fox in house of house: This could be a lot of things, possibly an unwanted mix of personal and professional. Perhaps as part of the indecision, one person is considering the details of their own circumstances more than is good for the relationship, or perhaps an excess of caution is used with regard to personal life not related to the relationship, which is having an influence on the relationship. Is one party being cautious, maybe closed off, when it would be more benficial to be open and trusting?

I'm looking at the man, it is interesting that he is kind of in the center, in the house of mice. He is troubled. It looks like he is swamped, buried in those issues up top his head. Can he resolve them.  He knights to:
Birds in house of clouds: The communication in this relationship would have to be generally good, given other characteristics. Is the man unable to speak in clear terms about the relationship, the future, and how he wants to woman to fit in? Does he know how he wants her to fit in? This is what she would want to know.
Book is in star: Is he obscuring his own wants and desires? Doesn't know what he wants? Doesn't understand what is holding him back?
Fish-fish: He is virtually given to the relationship, he feels the connection and the resonance  (but the book is still in star!).
Garden in lilly: Well I am stumped! Can't think what garden in house of lily is about. Help. He seems to be thinking about finding harmony in society or with friends but I dan't think how that relates to this relationship
Cross in house of birds: and birds are in house of clouds. I see birds in terms of language and words - this direct kind of communication.  There are conversations that are extremely difficult for him. I am not sure if they really are so difficult, but subjectively, he experiences them that way.
Fox in house – He shares this knight with the ring card. See above.

What's also interesting is that the man's got clouds in the house of moon below him. It's a negative situation, but he seems to think he's got it bonked and it's in the past, or is ignoring it. Seems like he is contributing to the lack of clarity – obscuring what should be revealed, or letting feelings stay unexpressed and unacknowledged.
I'm going to dare  a look at the diagonals leading to clouds-moon, I see:
clover-clover paired with ship-coffin: the woman is completely optimistic and believes the stillstand will resolve in a positive and happy way. She has been thinking that way, something subtle is saying that she won't think that way forever.
Cross in birds paired with book in stars: Talking about it is very difficult, maybe stilted, because one person doesn't know what they want.
Key in roads paired with child in heart: A decision really must be made, if this new love is to develop any further.

[Mr. Lenormand]

OMG - excellent!  More on this when the kids are in bed..!

So you know, I see similar cards in my own spreads and I admit had been stomped, so thank you...! This makes lots of sense to me.